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  • 08-18-2007 05:40 PM

    • natescape
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    Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    Well-done article by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer about Imperium Renewables and biodiesel.

    Biodiesel turning wheels, not turbines

    Until prices fall, it's best used in cars and trucks

    By ROBERT McCLURE
    P-I REPORTER

    Peering down from the cockpit as he piloted a cargo plane over the ever-so-lonely curve of Russian outback, John Plaza was deep in thought. It was dark. So was his mood.

    Plaza had been hauling cargo for years "and feeling pretty guilty about it" because of the huge contribution to global warming of all that jet fuel he burned.

    "In a 6 1/2-hour flight, we burned enough fuel to power my car for 42 years," Plaza said. "I had always been bothered by the environmental aspects of aviation, from the time I started flying jets. But it never hit me in a profound manner until I did that calculation."

    That night in 2000 was inspiration for North America's largest biodiesel-processing facility, which opened Wednesday on the shores of Grays Harbor and is expected to produce 100 million gallons of biodiesel each year.

    Plaza's Imperium Renewables is the leader in the field, certainly in the Northwest, probably in the country.

    But while biodiesel is being hailed as an environmentally friendly savior in the transportation field, it's barely a drop in the renewable fuels bucket. Even the clean-energy requirements of Initiative 937 won't likely change that.

    For the foreseeable future, utilities aren't even likely to use biodiesel for the only power-generating use it is remotely suited: fueling small, scattered "peaker" power-generating stations, Plaza said in an interview earlier this year. Utilities use those only when demand skyrockets.

    Right now, "peakers" run on diesel or natural gas, both cheaper than biodiesel.

    To break into even the peaker application, biodiesel "has to be economically viable, and currently it's not," Plaza said. But he expects natural gas and diesel prices to keep rising. Then biodiesel might make economic sense. There's no technological hurdle -- it could be put into diesel-run peakers and do just fine.

    Philip Malte, an energy researcher in the University of Washington's Department of Mechanical Engineering, agreed that "the main goal with a fuel like biodiesel is for transportation."

    One factor some day could change this whole analysis: algae. Specifically, algae used to make biodiesel.

    Right now, the top-yielding biodiesel crop is palms, which produce nuts with palm oil.

    Unlike other crops used to produce biodiesel, algae could be grown in an extremely compact area.

    It could be harvested in a matter of weeks instead of months, and byproducts could make the economics look good. That's all speculation for now, just stars in the eyes of bored nighttime pilots and their like.

    "There's a gathering storm of folks working on algae," Plaza said. "In two to three years, we'll start to see some meaningful commercialization."

    And after that? Well, you could say that the sky's the limit.

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  • 08-18-2007 05:57 PM In reply to

    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    natescape:
     

    Unlike other crops used to produce biodiesel, algae could be grown in an extremely compact area.

    It could be harvested in a matter of weeks instead of months, and byproducts could make the economics look good. That's all speculation for now, just stars in the eyes of bored nighttime pilots and their like.

    "There's a gathering storm of folks working on algae," Plaza said. "In two to three years, we'll start to see some meaningful commercialization."

    Apparently, 3 could's =  we'll in 2-3 years.

    We could fusion all the energy we want out of water. We could drive our cars on that. We could do it economically. Hence...in 2-3 years, we'll all be powering our computers on fusion power.

    Those that live by the sword, die by the sword. Id rather die of cholesterol from all the butter Im making and selling... froggy in Wisconsin
  • 08-19-2007 02:18 PM In reply to

    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    froggy:
    natescape:
     

    Unlike other crops used to produce biodiesel, algae could be grown in an extremely compact area.

    It could be harvested in a matter of weeks instead of months, and byproducts could make the economics look good. That's all speculation for now, just stars in the eyes of bored nighttime pilots and their like.

    "There's a gathering storm of folks working on algae," Plaza said. "In two to three years, we'll start to see some meaningful commercialization."

    Apparently, 3 could's =  we'll in 2-3 years.

    We could fusion all the energy we want out of water. We could drive our cars on that. We could do it economically. Hence...in 2-3 years, we'll all be powering our computers on fusion power.

    A nontechnical member of the press used language that was less than precise and you're jumping on it this hard?  How's that rational?

    The fact is that those 3 "could's" should be replaced with "can's" and a "could" needs to be added:

    "Unlike other crops used to produce biodiesel, algae can be grown in an extremely compact area.

    It can be harvested in a matter of weeks instead of months, and byproducts can make the economics look good. Possible commercialization that takes advantage of these qualities is all speculation for now, just stars in the eyes of bored nighttime pilots and their like.

    "There's a gathering storm of folks working on algae," Plaza said. "In two to three years, we could start to see some meaningful commercialization."

     =That's= the more realistic take,  Even without my corrections, your example is hyperbole that is much more exaggerated than the original article. 

  • 08-20-2007 09:46 AM In reply to

    • natescape
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    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    I think froggy was going for humor with a dash of criticism (yummm).
  • 08-20-2007 10:42 AM In reply to

    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    Thanks Nate for understanding my variety of prose. What can I say...Im skeptical until someone shows me the motts.

    Those that live by the sword, die by the sword. Id rather die of cholesterol from all the butter Im making and selling... froggy in Wisconsin
  • 08-20-2007 01:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    froggy:

    Thanks Nate for understanding my variety of prose. What can I say...Im skeptical until someone shows me the motts.

    What's a "motts"?

  • 08-20-2007 02:26 PM In reply to

    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    Voltaire:
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    What's a "motts"?

    The proof, the goods, not just talk a good game but show me what you got!

    Those that live by the sword, die by the sword. Id rather die of cholesterol from all the butter Im making and selling... froggy in Wisconsin
  • 08-20-2007 02:46 PM In reply to

    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    froggy:
    Voltaire:
        [

    What's a "motts"?

    The proof, the goods, not just talk a good game but show me what you got!

    And what area and population uses this slang?  How did it become such slang?

  • 08-20-2007 03:15 PM In reply to

    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    No clue...maybe from the applesause?
    Those that live by the sword, die by the sword. Id rather die of cholesterol from all the butter Im making and selling... froggy in Wisconsin
  • 08-21-2007 03:25 AM In reply to

    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    Err, also note that the "2-3 year" quote was from the pilot of a cargo plane, not an expert in algae culture. Pretty shoddy reporting if you ask me.
  • 08-21-2007 09:36 AM In reply to

    • natescape
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    Re: Algae 2-3 years off, says article

    I think it is apple sauce. Motts was (maybe still is), a huge apple sauce company that had a set of commercials asking if one "Gots the Motts". In fact, here's one of the commercials. Classic.
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