First time to reply. I.ve read all of this thread and my question is HAS ANY ONE OF THE NAY SAYERS DONE AN ANALYSIS ON THE "SNAKE OIL" DEEZEL SEEKRET ADDITIVE TO SEE WHAT IS THE TRUE CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF IT IS AND NOT WHAT "SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS"

beegee,

You can search Google using the keywords "MSDS" and "Diesel Secret Energy" (or "DSE"). The additive producer is required to make these Material Safety Data Sheets available, and they list the contents of the product in question. If you can't find a copy you trust posted on the web, you can contact the company and request it.

Here's a copy of the MSDS someone posted. If you're skeptical, request your own copy.

We are running full hands on workshops about making biodiesel from used vegetable oils. These will be in CASABLANCA, Morocco: TUNIS, Tunisia : ALEX in Egypt. during January 2008. We are small New Zealand based renewable energy consultancy firm and run such hands on workshops in many other countries. For more details just visit www.etec.net.nz

According to this web site one only has to use the Diesel Secret Additive to strained cooking oil and it can be used in any diesel motor. Has anyone used this product and is it legitimate?

For the sake of clarification, this is a vegetable oil "blending" topic, not a Biodiesel topic. DSE does NOT make Biodiesel and is not as safe to use (nor is this fuel type approved by the EPA). Search this site for "DSE" or "Diesel Secret." You'll find a wealth on the debunking on the subject.

 Don't do it. It's not real. 

You saved me a ton of agg.

Rob

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Hello,

I am new here and I've read a few of these posts.  I can testify to DSE.  I just started using it.  I was very skeptical at first, but I did as the instructions told me to do and it works very well.  I have a trucking company and we tried it in the oldest truck in the fleet.  Like they say it smells like burgers and fries.  I couldn't believe it.  A diesel will run on just about anything trans oil, oil etc..... until it blows - anyway, I did a lot of investigating before I tried this formula.  You need specific filters and specific oil.  It quiets the motor, burns cleaner- no carbon build up, throttle response was very good - no hesitation.  We drained the semi of diesel and added 30 gallons of snake oil and ran it for quite some time.  My mechanic told me if it was going to act up it would have already happened.  Maybe it is a joke in a bottle, but it works.  It costs me .67 / gallon to make it and that's a huge savings over 4.20 / gallon.  Especially when your burning 100's of gallons a day.  I'll take my chances at this point.  No pain no gain!  If it fails I'll rebuild.  

Good Luck 

Hi,

Yes I just started using it.  It does work!ake care

Take care

Hey welder728

I'm new here.  I posted twice tonight and I guess both posts were deleted.  I was talking about the DSE controversy.  It does work and yes it costs me 67 cents a gallon to make like your friend.  There seems to be a lot of negative posts here in regards to this product but if it works and it's cheaper than buying at the pump what the hell. 

 

JTI:

Hey welder728

I'm new here.  I posted twice tonight and I guess both posts were deleted.  I was talking about the DSE controversy.  It does work and yes it costs me 67 cents a gallon to make like your friend.  There seems to be a lot of negative posts here in regards to this product but if it works and it's cheaper than buying at the pump what the hell. 

 

No, not "what the hell", you are making one assumption too many, use your head.

I'm not sure how I'm suppose to respond to the last comment.  All I know is that it works for me.  I'm not assuming anything.  In fact I've taken an idea and run with it an it's proven itself!!

Thanks

JT 

 Here's a review of the product in question. It's worth a read if you're looking at using / using DSE.

JTI:

I'm not sure how I'm suppose to respond to the last comment.  All I know is that it works for me.  I'm not assuming anything.  In fact I've taken an idea and run with it an it's proven itself!!

Thanks

JT 

Let me put it this way:  Your view seems to be to accept without question what DSE claims without regard to what has alredy been posted and discussed.  There are lots of products that seem to work, it's not a black/white type of thing, and it's certainly NOT proof..  So if you had paid attention, you would know that DSE is like the stone in "stone soup" -- it contributes NOTHING, and yet it is the most expensive ingredient.

Well 300, there's always one in the crowd and I found it.  I know I'm out numbered here and you're obviously the expert on this site with all your posts and all.  Let me tell you something - I never "accept without question", I have alot of questions more then you'll ever be able to answer. But, you can question yourself to death and never get anywhere.  Which I think that's probably part of your problem.  You run on and on with all your posts and contribute NOTHING!  I bet while your here you keep talking about the same topic right?.  So what, if this topic has already been brought up.  Don't read it or respond if you don't have something constructive to say.  I haven't read all the posts here and I probably never will.  So, I'm not real sure what's been brought up already.  I suppose next time I'll check with you first.  I've done a lot of research on the subject and have talked to different experts in the field - Caterpillar engineers etc.... I have expensive equipment that runs on different diesel blends and DSE, so far.  I just came across this site and I think we're all here for the same reason.  A diesel will run on anything for a period of time, but the ultimate goal here is to help everyone figure out what it will run on for an extended period of time with little or no problems.  Some of the problem with biodiesel if you're using Methanol, is the Methyl Esters leave a build up on cylinder walls that doesn't burn and over time it tends to round the rings and pistons.  This creates blow by problems which ultimately results in a major overhaul.  Oh yea I have paid attention maybe you should heed your own advice and listen up.  If you'd have done your homework, you'd know that DSE is the "LEAST" expensive of all the ingredients used per ounce depending on which kit you purchase -  .41 cents to be exact!

Here's to a brighter more "educated" tomorrow

Cheers

JT

old300D:

JTI:

I'm not sure how I'm suppose to respond to the last comment.  All I know is that it works for me.  I'm not assuming anything.  In fact I've taken an idea and run with it an it's proven itself!!

Thanks

JT 

Let me put it this way:  Your view seems to be to accept without question what DSE claims without regard to what has alredy been posted and discussed.  There are lots of products that seem to work, it's not a black/white type of thing, and it's certainly NOT proof..  So if you had paid attention, you would know that DSE is like the stone in "stone soup" -- it contributes NOTHING, and yet it is the most expensive ingredient.

JTI:

I haven't read all the posts here and I probably never will.

Why the heck not? Are you so superior that you can't learn from others experiences?

Some of the problem with biodiesel if you're using Methanol, is the Methyl Esters leave a build up on cylinder walls that doesn't burn and over time it tends to round the rings and pistons.  This creates blow by problems which ultimately results in a major overhaul.

Any evidence to support this (heresay is not evidence)? Unlike DSE and other blends, Biodiesel has a substantial body of scientific studies that indicate it works.

If you'd have done your homework, you'd know that DSE is the "LEAST" expensive of all the ingredients used per ounce depending on which kit you purchase -  .41 cents to be exact!

Do everyone a favor and provide a price breakdown of all ingredients, with the ratios of use.

You missed one of Old300D's points. It's well know what is in DSE. You can check out the MSDS for a list of constituent chemicals. It's also known what these chemicals do. It's much cheaper to buy them, mix them up yourself, and use as you wish. If you're honestly interested in saving money, this should be of primary interest to you.

 the deal is a scam....! I

i GOT A ORDER....your buying mineral spirits...... @ $80.00 a gl. AND THAT'S THERE SECRET...!!!

first things first ,...: THEY DONT TELL YOU ABOUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS YOU NEED TO BUY , OR DO THEY TELL YOU UNTIL YOU GET YOUR ORDED...!

THEY SAY YOU CAN MAKE FUEL @ 43 CENTS PER GL....LOL

THE EXTRA INGREDIENTS ALONE WILL COST YOU $2.00 A GL BY VOL......!!!!!!!

KEROSENE.... 10% BY VOL. @ $8.00 PER GL

GAS 5% BY VOL @ $3.45 A GL.....IN SAN DIEGO...

DIESEL_CLEEN....1% BY VOL...@  $9.00 A QT.

++++.....MORE STUFF...@ MORE....... MONEY...$$$$$$ 

BUT YOU ONLY NEED  1 OZ. PER 6 GL OF THERE "SECRET STUFF"...ALL IT IS IS MINERAL SPIRITS , TO KEEP YOUR INJECTORS FROM PLUGGING UP...!!!!!

I SENT MY ORDER BACK.....AND THEY DONT WONT TO GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK....!!!

I HAD TO CALL MY CREDIT CARD CO. , AND CLAIM IT AS A FRAUD...!! AND I AM STILL WATING TO GET A "CREDIT"....!!!!

BEST OF ALL THEY DONT TELL YOU ABOUT THE " RESTOCKING FEES....." , OR RETURN SHIPPING....IS ON YOU....!!!

 

 

AND IN THERE MANUAL , THAT THY SEND YOU,.... THEY TELL YOU TO ,"GO OUT AND OUT BID " ....THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING THE OIL...????

GOOD WASTE OIL IN SAN DIEGO , IS SELLING FOR $1.00 PER GL.

NOW YOUR UP TO $3.00 A GL.....what the hell happened to fuel @ $.43 cents per gl.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND YOU STILL HAVE TO MAKE IT YOUR SELF, and they tell you to buy extra filters , from home depot!!!

....and leve all the fat and glycerines in your fuel...????

just stay to making bio-fuel.......it is safer for your motor and cheeper.... 

 

PS .. i figured i tell you all about it before you all get burned.....they also tell you if your going to dirve in temperatures below 32 degrees , you need to run 50% petrol-deisel...LOL

pps. i found this site looking for tips on how too making bio-diesel....at home...[:'(] 

Gordy.. 

ebztz,

JTI:

I haven't read all the posts here and I probably never will.

Why the heck not? Are you so superior that you can't learn from others experiences?

Some of the problem with biodiesel if you're using Methanol, is the Methyl Esters leave a build up on cylinder walls that doesn't burn and over time it tends to round the rings and pistons.  This creates blow by problems which ultimately results in a major overhaul.

Any evidence to support this (heresay is not evidence)? Unlike DSE and other blends, Biodiesel has a substantial body of scientific studies that indicate it works.

If you'd have done your homework, you'd know that DSE is the "LEAST" expensive of all the ingredients used per ounce depending on which kit you purchase -  .41 cents to be exact!

Do everyone a favor and provide a price breakdown of all ingredients, with the ratios of use.

You missed one of Old300D's points. It's well know what is in DSE. You can check out the MSDS for a list of constituent chemicals. It's also known what these chemicals do. It's much cheaper to buy them, mix them up yourself, and use as you wish. If you're honestly interested in saving money, this should be of primary interest to you.

 I don't have alot of free time to devote to reading every post.  I am trying to read as much as I can or what time will allow  Yes it's been proven.   There was a week long seminar on Biodiesel in Iowa and this problem was discussed.  I learned about this from Mahoney Environmental Co. in Mendota Ill. If you don't believe me call them and ask them yourself.Or better yet call Patten in Elmhurst, Ill. and ask them.  I never said Bio doesn't work.  I know it has problems in the long run if you use Methanol.  I say use whatever works, just be cautious.  DSE is new in the US and has been used in Europe from what I understand as a fuel alternative because of the high fuel prices.  We haven't had to pay high fuel prices here like in Europe.

All of the posts here on this topic and no one has shared the ratios with anyone. I'm shocked! I'm sure Old300 knows what's used.  I have checked the MSDS sheet and found Xylene's the main ingredient.  I'm not a chemist and I really don't want to experiment or cause any dangerous situations in my work place.  That's not what I do for a living.  You have to use all of these additives in moderation or you're going to have problems.  I know kerosene is very hard on the motor if it is over used.  I take oil samples and send them in for analysis, $20.00 a test, to make sure there's nothing wrong.  A very recent post someone ordered the product and looked into purchasing additives at local hardware store prices.  They were going to spend 8.00 /gallon for kerosene.  It'll never work at those prices. You have to buy  in bulk from a co-op or service station for a price break.  Pump it yourself.  I'm spending 4.00 / gal. Gas is also used.  If you do your homework you can buy Diesel Kleen, the 96 oz bottle is the most economical per ounce, for about 16.20.  The DSE additive in the gallon size breaks down to .41 ounce when you buy 3 gallons of DSE.

When I do a price breakdown it comes out to .67 cents / gallon for DSE based on the ratios used to mix 50 gallons of fuel.  You end up with 59.5 / gal when you're done.  If I have to buy the oil at 1.00 / gal I'm still saviing money.  It takes me 15 minutes to mix the additives and pump it.  It burns cleaner, quiets the motor, there's no carbon build up, there's no by-product left, no water, no conversion of equipment.

I'm not trying to make believers here.  I'm just telling what has worked for me.  Now how about a beer?

JT

JTI:

Well 300, there's always one in the crowd and I found it.  I know I'm out numbered here and you're obviously the expert on this site with all your posts and all.  Let me tell you something - I never "accept without question", I have alot of questions more then you'll ever be able to answer. But, you can question yourself to death and never get anywhere.  Which I think that's probably part of your problem.  You run on and on with all your posts and contribute NOTHING!  I bet while your here you keep talking about the same topic right?.  So what, if this topic has already been brought up.  Don't read it or respond if you don't have something constructive to say.  I haven't read all the posts here and I probably never will.  So, I'm not real sure what's been brought up already.  I suppose next time I'll check with you first.  I've done a lot of research on the subject and have talked to different experts in the field - Caterpillar engineers etc.... I have expensive equipment that runs on different diesel blends and DSE, so far.  I just came across this site and I think we're all here for the same reason.  A diesel will run on anything for a period of time, but the ultimate goal here is to help everyone figure out what it will run on for an extended period of time with little or no problems.  Some of the problem with biodiesel if you're using Methanol, is the Methyl Esters leave a build up on cylinder walls that doesn't burn and over time it tends to round the rings and pistons.  This creates blow by problems which ultimately results in a major overhaul.  Oh yea I have paid attention maybe you should heed your own advice and listen up.  If you'd have done your homework, you'd know that DSE is the "LEAST" expensive of all the ingredients used per ounce depending on which kit you purchase -  .41 cents to be exact!

Here's to a brighter more "educated" tomorrow

Cheers

JT

Well alrighty, you sure can rant.  But you are confusing biodiesel (aka methyl esters) with vegetable oil blends when you make the claim about cylinder buildup.  Biodiesel burns cleanly and deosn't require shortened oil change intervals unlike the infamous SVO, including petroleum mixes like DSE.  If you are not sure what's been brought up earlier, go ahead and take the time to read it and form your arguments before you start making these wild claims without any evidence, as it just gets old after a while.  And leave out the "secret ingredient", then calculate your fuel costs...wow, it's the same blended crap, it just costs less.