Old300

Don't be so close minded.  I never said bio doesn't work - it WORKS!  So does DSE if mixed properly and requires less time involved.  I'm talking about the free fatty acids that remain unburnt if you use Methanol. The acids accumulate over time on the cylinder walls and round the pistons and rings.  This causes severe blow-by problems.  Then, you have a major overhaul.  It really doesn't matter anyway, because you are going to have to rebuild a motor at one point or another.  It doesn't matter if you use Bio or Reg old diesel blend.  All we're talking about here is the price savings /gal.  When I mix up 50 gallons of DSE and add the additives it makes 59.5 gal of product, that costs .67 cents a gallon.  Look into it and you do the math.  Products may cost more or less, depending where you live.

 

JT

How am I being close-minded?  I didn't say it didn't work, I said it was crap.  My Mercedes will run the crap for thousands of miles, it works, but it doesn't work well and will shorten my engine's life.  I can make oil-based paint work, but that doesn't mean I will use it. 

old300D:

How am I being close-minded?  I didn't say it didn't work, I said it was crap.  My Mercedes will run the crap for thousands of miles, it works, but it doesn't work well and will shorten my engine's life.  I can make oil-based paint work, but that doesn't mean I will use it. 

Ok well  you tell me the steps to setting up a biodiesel plant and I'll try that if you think it's better.  Share what you know or point me in the right direction.

JT

 you must be a  Diesel Secrets stock holder...LOL

or you need a remedial math class....???

you cant make this for 43 cents a gallon as advertised.... ????

KEROSENE ALONE TRADES ABOVE $4.50 A GL ON THE NEY YORK STOCK EXCHANGE.....!!! SO WERE YOU GETTING YOURS...AND AT WHAT PRICE PER GALLON..??? 

 

my e-mails from DIESEL SECRETS...:

					STORE SHOPPING LIST Send a list to your store	ONLINE SHOPPING CART Shop online today

AND KEROSENE IS NOT SOLD HERE OUT OF DISPENSING TANKS HERE IN SAN DIEGO CA.......SORRY....
THE PRICE @ THE NEW YORK STOCK EXC. IS MORE THEN THE PRICE OF DIESEL , AND AGAIN THERE IS NO PLACE THAT SELLS IT.....TO DISPENSE IT INTO YOUR OWN JUGS......SO ALL I CAN DO IS BUY IT IN CANS.....@ $8.00 PER GL.

BOTTOM LINE......YOUR SITE DOES NOT MENTION (OR THE VIDEO YOU SENT ME ),THE NEED TO ADD 5 OTHER INGREDIENTS.... TO YOUR MIX.....WHICH IS ONLY " MINERAL SPIRITS...!!
.AND SOMETHING YOU REFER TO AS "NAPTHA"....WHICH IS A TERM THAT CANT BE USED, BECAUSE IT IS WHY TOO GENERAL....IE. " NAPTHA.....WHAT...??"

I JUST WONT MY 100% MONEY BACK SATISFACTION GUARANTEE....NOW.
HAVE UPS........COME PICK IT UP....!!!

YOUR PRODUCT IS NOT AS DESCRIBED....BY YOUR WEBSITE OR BY THE VIDEO , YOU SENT ME....!!

 http://www.dieselsecret.com/video1.html

DOES NOT SHOW YOU ADDING ANYTHING BUT "YOUR ADDITIVE " TO THE  VEGETABLE OIL AND NOWHERE DO YOU SHOW 
THE NEED FOR THE FIVE OTHER PRICEY INGREDIENTS NEEDED UNTIL THE SHIPMENT ARRIVES....AND YOU READ IT IN THE MANUAL..!

SO  HAVE IT PICKED UP
 PLEASE.....I AM NOT WILLING TO PUT ALL THIS GLYCERIN..(SOAP) AND SOLVENTS INTO MY FUEL SYSTEM.

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE: GORDON A...........................................

info@dieselsecret.com wrote:

   THE END....!!!!!!!!!!!

GORDON A. 

 

 

^^^ Hehehe, that's funny.  My biodiesel costs $1.00 a gallon with methanol at $3.60.  I save nearly $3.00 a gallon.  And it's a better fuel.  You want pointers to making biodiesel?

 Here you are: http://www.biodieselcommunity.org

 

(2500 POSTS!!!) 

 QUESTION....?

WERE DO YOU GET YOUR METHANOL.FOR $3.60 A GALLON...?? 

I AM SEEING  LOCAL PRICES @ $42.00 FOR 5 GALLONS... ...OR $7.50 AGL FROM VP RACING FULES..IN 5GL. CANS

ALSO WERE DO YOU GET YOUR LYE.....PLEASE...

 

I FOUND A PLACE THAT SELLS IT FOR $.75 CENTS A POUND..... IN MY AREA....FOR PICK UP.....IN 50LBS BAGS.

 http://store.galladechem.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=gallade&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=570278346&Count2=487418770

 

THANK IN ADVANCE ....GORDY 

 

PS. I FOUND DIESEL SECRETS SUCH A JOKE, I MADE A COMPLAINT TO THE ...: LA. STATE , ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE.....:) 

My methanol is pumped at the local dragstrip.  Their fuel store is open all year.  I filled my last drum for $209 (I erred above, the cost is $3.80 a gallon).  I get lye through a local chemical supplier, and most recently paid $89 for a 25 kilo bag of 90% KOH.

Hello I am a newbee with some basic questions.

I got the DSE and tried it on my 03 Golf TDI GLS and it worked just fine, no power or starter difference with regular fuel or bio-diesel.

Have any tests like dipping seals in the DSE for weeks/months/years benn done by anyone to see if any ware could be found?

Any other test on the fuel beside looking for sediments? (and ofr that matter on ANY diesel/bio fuels. I understand the coking by glycerin/parafin of the engine is a longer range problem, more difficult to evidence, but what would be any early signs of that?

Also DSE seems very attractive to me because not only it is indeed extremly fast and inexpensive to make as compared to biodiesel (with methoxyde) , but more importanly there is no waste as compared to the 20% glycerin waste from making biodiesel.  So if all elements are compatible individually and in mixture with the engines, why not use it, which I did?

Anyhone else tried it? On what kind of engine?

dfb2k:

Any other test on the fuel beside looking for sediments? (and ofr that matter on ANY diesel/bio fuels. I understand the coking by glycerin/parafin of the engine is a longer range problem, more difficult to evidence, but what would be any early signs of that?

From (first-hand and forum) reports, the commonly noted first sign of trouble will be IP failure (any idea how much a replace IP costs for your vehicle?). Injector coking could also be an issue, and this could lead to decreased mileage / failure. Example here.

dfb2k:

Also DSE seems very attractive to me because not only it is indeed extremly fast and inexpensive to make as compared to biodiesel (with methoxyde) , but more importanly there is no waste as compared to the 20% glycerin waste from making biodiesel.

Glycerin waste can actually be recycled into energy rather easily, though not at home. Our waste becomes electricity.

dfb2k:

So if all elements are compatible individually and in mixture with the engines, why not use it, which I did?

Cold (unheated) oil will not inject properly into the cylinder. This has been shown in numerous studies. Additives and blending don't ameliorate this issue. The result is incomplete combustion, leading to residue (solid lacquers) in the cylinder, valves, injectors, etc. Further, incomplete combustion of veg oil in motors can lead to the production of mutanogenic (cancer-causing) compounds in the exhaust.

There is zero evidence DSE fixes any of these issues. 

 

Hiya JT, i'm new to this whole D.S.E. thing and i've spent about 400.00 at home depot, napa auto, lowes etc. Just got my prototype built and mixed my first batch today. Gonna start runnin it in my 2001 Ford F-250. Figured I still have a half tank of petro in there and just wanna see how the ol pickup runs with like a 50/50 mix. It does look real oily commin out of the last filter but i'm not real worried about it. I've done some extensive research and am in contact with the owner of completedieselsystems in Lafyette Louisianna. He's a young dude that has been runnin D.S.E. in his F250 and tractors for a few years and swears by it. Guess all i'm sayin is that i'd  like to be in contact with more D.S.E. users so's we can compare the results...cool man, holler back. Are you in San Diego? Cheers, Bat Boy

Bat Boy:

I've done some extensive research

What did this entail? Please, be as specific as possible. Are you a scientist or researcher by profession? What were your sources?

No, i'm not a scientist or professional researcher...just some one who looks for useful info online. I've heard a lot of good and bad about D.S.E...you can always check newenergyreport.org, diesel secret debunk, and if you'd like to read more posts and comments from pros and cons go to infopop.com. I believe that there really has'nt been enough studies on whether or not long term use is either good or bad for your diesel engine. All I know is what i've heard from folks who use it with success. It seems to me that a lot of the naysayers came out and voiced their opinion back in 03' when D.S.E. began their operation. Most of them were folks that had money invested in their biodiesel set ups, that leads me to believe that they may have been a little bummed that they could do it cheaper and safer. Here it is 5 years later and I still hear about 50/50 good and bad...and they're still in business. It may be risky to experiment with D.S.E., but with Diesel at 4.50 a gallon in S.D. county, i'm enthusiastic about it.

Thanks for replying Bat Boy, 

I've only known one person that used DSE personally. They used it in a Ford cargo van (box truck style). They had IP failure within 15k miles. Replacement price was ~$1k. There's also suspision of injector damage, but I haven't spoken with the owner in a while.

It seems you've done your reading and are aware of the risks - that's really the function of this thread.

WELL IT'S BEEN 30 days now since i sent there "seceret juce", back too them witch BUY THE WAY.....is just , ........"mineral spirits"....!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"UPS tracking#

1ZX3271Y0369104345

and still i havent got my money back.....!!!!

   WERE IS THE....100%......MONEY BACK GRANTEE.......???

.WARNING ....,IT'S A SCAM.....!!!!

OOOPPPPPS,.... is that better.... ??

i missed  SPELLED a word....:(

BUT THAT don't change a thing about it being a scam...OR THEM NOT GIVING MY MONEY BACK.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  WERE IS THE....100%......MONEY BACK GRANTEE......???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

YOU GO RIGHT ON AND USE IT......I AM NOT PUTTING THAT CRAP IN MY TRUCK... ....$.46 A GL......MY ASS..!!!!!!!!!

MORE LIKE $2.50 A GL...FOR THE 5 OTHER THINGS YOU NEED TO GO OUT AND BUY........?????

WHY DO THEY LIE TOO YOU..????

, AND WERE IS MY MONEY...........!!!!!! 

 

BIO DIESEL IS CHEEPER......TO MAKE....!!!!!!!!

 

Worning is spelled Warning and anyone who is using D.S.E. including me knows that when you first purchase their little concoction of "mineral spirits" , that what you are really paying for is the knowledge to make cheap fuel on your own. It does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out that their additive is the smallest amout of quantity in the so called "ratio". The next time you are pumping over expensive diesel fuel into your tank....just take a look at it. It's way too thin...diesel's love lube and were designed to run on veg. oil to begin with. Granted...you dont wanna f#*k up and have "IP failure and injector problems...hmmm...why not just dillute it with a little petro clowns. Even if you put 10 gallons of D.S.E. at a time your still savin like 45.00 every time you gotta fill up. Listen up...diesel is the least refined fuel out there and the reason it's getting so expensive is cause the bloodsuckers know that more folks are buying diesels. Me, as a contractor needs a full sized truck and I will gladly take 15-20 miles a gallon over 8-10 in a V8 full size..for some reason they're not stupid and figured...let's just f#*k them at the pump.  I don't really take kindly to gettin f#*ked any more....don't be sissies and try a little D.S.E. Hugs and Kisses, B-Boy

Bat Boy:

Worning is spelled Warning and anyone who is using D.S.E. including me knows that when you first purchase their little concoction of "mineral spirits" , that what you are really paying for is the knowledge to make cheap fuel on your own. It does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out that their additive is the smallest amout of quantity in the so called "ratio". The next time you are pumping over expensive diesel fuel into your tank....just take a look at it. It's way too thin...diesel's love lube and were designed to run on veg. oil to begin with. Granted...you dont wanna f#*k up and have "IP failure and injector problems...hmmm...why not just dillute it with a little petro clowns. Even if you put 10 gallons of D.S.E. at a time your still savin like 45.00 every time you gotta fill up. Listen up...diesel is the least refined fuel out there and the reason it's getting so expensive is cause the bloodsuckers know that more folks are buying diesels. Me, as a contractor needs a full sized truck and I will gladly take 15-20 miles a gallon over 8-10 in a V8 full size..for some reason they're not stupid and figured...let's just f#*k them at the pump.  I don't really take kindly to gettin f#*ked any more....don't be sissies and try a little D.S.E. Hugs and Kisses, B-Boy

Anyone smart enough to hook up to the internets and read this thread will realize the "DSE" part is a SCAM, and can make their "fuel" even cheaper by not putting the "secret ingredient" into the witches brew.  Or better yet, make real biodiesel and not put injection pumps and engines at risk.

I agree....but then again there's the argument of whether even bio diesel is safe to be run in your engine exclusively. For example....some folks say get another tank installed for starting purposes and run bio on your main tank. I think that more problems occur in cold wheather climates as apposed to our climate in Southern Cal. I've even heard that bio diesel co.'s are using cylindrical force to rid of any fatty types of contaminants in the fuel. The types of things which would render expensive repairs...any way you look at it, we are all experimenting with alternative fuels at our own risk. The beauty of it is that we are on the forefront of a revolution and hopefully soon our planet will be a safer and cleaner. Is'nt this what it's really all  about? I actually really want to thank all of the fellas that post on this thread! Agree or disagree...we're all lookin for the answer's ...keep it up cause the answers are all there! Thanx, B-boy

Bat Boy:

I agree....but then again there's the argument of whether even bio diesel is safe to be run in your engine exclusively. For example....some folks say get another tank installed for starting purposes and run bio on your main tank. I think that more problems occur in cold wheather climates as apposed to our climate in Southern Cal. I've even heard that bio diesel co.'s are using cylindrical force to rid of any fatty types of contaminants in the fuel. The types of things which would render expensive repairs...any way you look at it, we are all experimenting with alternative fuels at our own risk. The beauty of it is that we are on the forefront of a revolution and hopefully soon our planet will be a safer and cleaner. Is'nt this what it's really all  about? I actually really want to thank all of the fellas that post on this thread! Agree or disagree...we're all lookin for the answer's ...keep it up cause the answers are all there! Thanx, B-boy

I am happy to report that biodiesel is not an "experimental" fuel anymore.  Vegetable oil and blends are still highly experimental; they also use a significant percentage of petroleum products.

I bought DSE awhile back. I tried to find web sites that talked about the product and found none. I mixed everything the way they said. I mixed 40 gallons of WVO to the other ingrediants. I used a total of 6 filters to make sure there where no particals in my fuel. I filtered down to .5 (thats 1/2 of a mcron) micron. Iran it for 3 days. It ran great, until the fouth day. My '06 Dodge Ram engine light came on and I begain to lose power as I accellerated. I drove slowly to my mechanic and had them put it on their machine. It came back a problem with the fuel.  I changed the fuel filter and it run good again, for 2 days! Then the engine light came on and I begain to lose power again. I had purchased several filters before so, I pulled to side of the road and changed the fuel filter, again. It ran fine. The filters cost $16 apeice. The filters were very dark in color but did not appear to be clogged. I have decided to run the rest of this junk out of my engine before it ruins it, if it already has'nt. To you people thinking about buying DSE,DON'T . I wish I had found this site earlier. Regretes from St. Louis, Mo.