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morris1524:

Is there a baseline output from the alternator, that is there regardless of demand, or when the demand is 0 (no electronics on, battery fully charged), does the alternator produce 0?

Without breaking down the why and how, which would merely obfuscate my response, in both the theory and in practical application, the simple answer is yes. An alternator that is not presented with an electrical load will not produce output.

aundie:

My boyfriend put this water4gas on his V6 2001 Nissan Maxima and he was getting 18mpg and now he is at 24 mpg.

If he was only getting 18 mpg in his Maxima, then it had some significant injection/timing problems to begin with. As we said earlier - if your car has significant problems like that such that you are getting very incomplete combustion, a system like this can eliminate those problems and provide roughly the efficiency your car should be getting when everything is working properly. You should be able to get the same effect though from a good tune-up.

jap901:

I Have read alot on hydrogen for a couple of years and i do belive it can be done and i truly belive what Stan Meyers did is real http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html The Gov and the petro companys don't waht you to belive in any of this. we have been teached our hole live petro is the only sorce we have and this is complete BS!

Heh heh, you're funny.

 

At least I hope you were joking.....

morris1524:

I also notice you did not provide documentation.  Only some logic, based on unsupported assumptions, which might or might not hold up.  Where does your 99% plus figure come from?  What is the cut off for a "modern" engine?

See page 5 of this thread.

Also, you appear to assume that I would only be interested in modern engines... might this idea apply to vintage cars? 

Older cars with less efficient combustion when factoring in crudded injectors and spark plugs (assuming gasoline engines) could see significantly greater improvements than a properly tuned engine. Of course, you could get similar improvements by replacing the spark plugs and cleaning the injectors.

If the answer turns out to be only on old, gas cars and the potential benefit is only 2%, then fine, that is the answer.  But don't imply that I am an idiot for looking into the idea and how it might apply. 

See page 5.

morris1524:

Is there a baseline output from the alternator, that is there regardless of demand, or when the demand is 0 (no electronics on, battery fully charged), does the alternator produce 0?

The only alternator losses when it's unloaded are frictional (belt/pulley, bearings, slip rings) and quiescent, all totalling about 5-10 watts.  In other words, insignificant.

 Hello.I was read on popular mechanics magazine an article about gas saving devices.Popular mechanics is a very reputable magazine.The test for a water injection saver is that you can save some gasoline with this but on the other hand you need to take care how the device is installed because can break the motor.I believe water can rust the inside of the motor.

WINDSHIELD:

 Hello.I was read on popular mechanics magazine an article about gas saving devices.Popular mechanics is a very reputable magazine.The test for a water injection saver is that you can save some gasoline with this but on the other hand you need to take care how the device is installed because can break the motor.I believe water can rust the inside of the motor.

They are not injecting water into the engine.  The system being discussed uses power from the alternator to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, which is then piped into the air stream of the engine.  It's called Brown's Gas and it's not water.

 Hello.I respect the diferent opinions about this thing.I never use something like this and im not an expert about hydrogen generators.My hope for a posible use of this gadget is that this really sound.Yes is a fact.Search on ebay below hydrogen generators the feedback for the sellers.There are hundreds or  probably thousands of positive feedbacks to the generators.This genertors constantly go for hundreds dollars even tousands with a smile on theirs customers faces. For me ebay is serious business and their feedbacks are legitimate from real serious peoples.Thanks for the attention.Good Luck.

WINDSHIELD:

 Hello.I respect the diferent opinions about this thing.I never use something like this and im not an expert about hydrogen generators.My hope for a posible use of this gadget is that this really sound.Yes is a fact.Search on ebay below hydrogen generators the feedback for the sellers.There are hundreds or  probably thousands of positive feedbacks to the generators.This genertors constantly go for hundreds dollars even tousands with a smile on theirs customers faces. For me ebay is serious business and their feedbacks are legitimate from real serious peoples.Thanks for the attention.Good Luck.

Oh I would definitely base my opinions on what you can read at ebay rather than what the science says, or what has been reported in peer reviewed journals.

 

Heh heh.

WINDSHIELD:

 Hello.I respect the diferent opinions about this thing.I never use something like this and im not an expert about hydrogen generators.My hope for a posible use of this gadget is that this really sound.Yes is a fact.Search on ebay below hydrogen generators the feedback for the sellers.There are hundreds or  probably thousands of positive feedbacks to the generators.This genertors constantly go for hundreds dollars even tousands with a smile on theirs customers faces. For me ebay is serious business and their feedbacks are legitimate from real serious peoples.Thanks for the attention.Good Luck.

Let me put this line of thinking into perspective with an infamous quote: 

"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P.T. Barnum (1810 – 1891), an American showman. It is generally taken to mean that there are (and always will be) a lot of gullible people in the world.

 Aside, that quote is NOT that of P.T. Barnum. 

ebztz:

 Aside, that quote is NOT that of P.T. Barnum. 

 Yes I know.  I quoted wikipedia that explicits states that, and I quoted them as saying the phrase is widely credited to him, which it is.  And it is an accurate statement judging by this thread, where lots of people are sold by testimonials, reputation, feasibility (nay profitibility ) and pure imagination.  Everything but the facts please!

Nice. I see you were careful in your wording. Most are not, as you point out.  

 Hello.Well i suppose the hydrogen fuel is posible to make with more sophisticated methods.Ok people i have a fact that im totally convice.Who live in california?As we know the actual California State Governer is Arnold Schwarzenegger.He make a proyect to make the hydrogen fuel from a "dream" to reality.Just see this car:   http://gov.ca.gov/index.php?/photos/2740/ .I just imagine driving this hummer all across the country with my girldfriend.Thanks for the attention.Good luck.

WINDSHIELD:

 Hello.Well i suppose the hydrogen fuel is posible to make with more sophisticated methods.Ok people i have a fact that im totally convice.Who live in california?As we know the actual California State Governer is Arnold Schwarzenegger.He make a proyect to make the hydrogen fuel from a "dream" to reality.Just see this car:   http://gov.ca.gov/index.php?/photos/2740/ .I just imagine driving this hummer all across the country with my girldfriend.Thanks for the attention.Good luck.

Enough already.  By posting this you have demonstrated you have not even read, let alone understood what this thread is about.

WINDSHIELD:

 Hello.Well i suppose the hydrogen fuel is posible to make with more sophisticated methods.Ok people i have a fact that im totally convice.Who live in california?As we know the actual California State Governer is Arnold Schwarzenegger.He make a proyect to make the hydrogen fuel from a "dream" to reality.Just see this car:   http://gov.ca.gov/index.php?/photos/2740/ .I just imagine driving this hummer all across the country with my girldfriend.Thanks for the attention.Good luck.

So, to make sure we're hearing you right - after ebay, your next most trusted source is a movie star-turned-politician?

By the way, regular hydrogen vehicles are nothing like the water 4 gas system. Although if Arnold and the ebayers aren't telling you that, maybe I'm wrong.

Just spent most of the afternoon reading from beginning to end (not including most links, dialup connection).  Very early on, some of the more scientifically minded people said that this idea breaks the laws of thermodynamics.  I had one class on thermo' some time ago.  If a properly formulated thermodynamic system -- what's it called, balance or heat engine, too long ago to remember what it was called -- showing this is impossible I would be convinced.  I say this because we don't seem to be getting any actual field results and I don't always believe Myth Busters' conclusions.

 Thanks

PS Linked here from TDI Club's Forum

Hello all, a friend of mine just bought the books, water4gas, loaned it to me to take a look as he needs my help in building the pcb's and wireing the electronics. I have to say that I am somewhat curious about the whole thing. I plan to hook one up to my 92 toyota truck and see what happends. All of the post I have read, at least the ones not complaining about proper use of CapitoL letters and speeling, talk solely about the hydrogen gas and its "benefits" to the combustion process. I have not seen anyone comment ( I have not trolled through all of the post though) about the pros and cons of the added oxygen. Isn't it possible that the added o2 will support more complete combustion of the fuel, thus increasing mph?

 Yes I am very aware of the Law of Conservation. I plan to do a couple of test, I will power the system with voltage from the truck, measure mph, then power it with an array of solar cells mouted to top of truck.Now that I think of it, maybe I will have my wife run along the side of truck and hold the solar cells so that the increase in mass doesn't scew the results.  In addition, in a later test, I plan to capture the o2 from the, is it the negative terminal?, and only pipe that into the fuel stream.

Has anyone completed test like this, if so, where do I find the results? In closing, there seems to a lot of folks out there who are very very skeptical, and I am too, but what about this: E=MCC?

 

skyratcalls:

In closing, there seems to a lot of folks out there who are very very skeptical, and I am too, but what about this: E=MCC?

Hehehe, I don't think you are doing any cold fusion, so don't worry about the energy contained in matter itself.

skyratcalls:

then power it with an array of solar cells mouted to top of truck.Now that I think of it, maybe I will have my wife run along the side of truck and hold the solar cells so that the increase in mass doesn't scew the results. 

 

If you want to go beyond testing & to something more practical  instead of solar cells - replace the compressor on a turbocharger with an elec generator.

Then there is no parasitic power loss in creating the elec. Turbos can be installed in series, if you already have one installed.

If a gasoline fueled engine, about 65% of the btus input are wasted as heat in the exhaust. That is why years ago Ford built some prototype cars that ran the air conditioning off the exhaust. Figure a turbo will recover about 15% of that waste or about 11,000 btus per gallon burned.

At a elec gen efficiency of 40% & 1 gallon of gasoline, that is 13.2 kwH. Takes 50kwH by electrolysis  to make 2.2 # of H2. 13.2/50 * 2.2 = 0.58 #  H2. I think that should be enough to increase a the bte of an engine.

BE SURE to check & recheck my math/numbers before proceeding.

Also, you will have to be able to change ignition timing & be able to change the fuel-to-air ratio. About the cheapest way to do this is by replacing the ECU with a Megasquirt or Microsquirt system.

Martin