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what are we waiting for!?

Last post 01-22-2008 11:10 PM by Slippery. 9 replies.
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  • 01-19-2008 12:58 PM

    • innov8v1
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    what are we waiting for!?

    Seems like oilgae is the most practicle solution to our energy issues, question is why are we not pursuing it?

    the longest journey begins with the first step
  • 01-19-2008 01:00 PM In reply to

    Re: what are we waiting for!?

    For it to become profitable.

    Dereck In Texas
  • 01-19-2008 01:10 PM In reply to

    • natescape
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    Re: what are we waiting for!?

     Bascially, yep. Dereck hit the nail on the head. When people can produce algae biodiesel and compete with veggie bio and petro-diesel, it'll become widespread. But until then, it just ain't gonna happen in a market economy.

  • 01-19-2008 01:18 PM In reply to

    • innov8v1
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    Re: what are we waiting for!?

    I guess youre right...but no product no profit.

    the longest journey begins with the first step
  • 01-19-2008 11:17 PM In reply to

    Re: what are we waiting for!?

    What product? Algoil is a test tube dream. You can have it if you like $20 or more per gallon. However in Alaska where you hardly have any state fuel tax (lowest in the USA), Hell will freeze over before any Algoil or any BD product  shows up there.

    Dereck In Texas
  • 01-20-2008 02:11 AM In reply to

    • Sunday
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    Re: what are we waiting for!?

     Meh. If you told me people with HIV were doomed 25 years ago I would of said so what (did), lets look (Research). That a manageable affliction now?

     If you told me 25 years ago Lupes was an incurable disease I would still say so what let's look anyway (Research). Stem cell research has shown  very real possibilties of slowing down and improving the quality of life of those afflicted.

    40 years ago Lukemia was a death sentance. Is it now, (Research). 

    50 years ago the Intergrated Chip that is the processor on a Texas Instuments TI-35 (solar powered by the way) Calculator was not possible until the Deptarment of Defense (US with much help from other Nations) paid $10,000 a piece for them. Thousands of them. I'm not even sure if you can still buy them, mine cost $10 in 1980, still works.

     The US Department of Energy ceased theire efforts towards algaeoil research because crude oil sold at $10 to $18, Unitied States Dollars, (USD) a barrell (I think that would be $60 UDS now, don't quote me). I still don't have access to much of that research but I will. From what I can speculate it has been proven by that research that algaeoil is doable (my speculation is useless with out facts, working on it).

    You don't have to be a tree huger to pursue algaeoil, or any other alternative energy. If Enron was able to suck $90 billion out of BS I'm pretty sure somebody could make something tangible out of $90 billion. You think they were selling those calculators at a loss? There is no dishonor in profiting from a good thing, a noble effort.

    Before they deposit you in that box below ground take a moment or three to think outside of it. Are you willing to pay 1% more of your income out  of pocket to find out? What if if we're wrong? At least we know we're wrong.

     

  • 01-20-2008 03:42 AM In reply to

    • innov8v1
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    Re: what are we waiting for!?

    Yes a little research can go a long way as modern civilization has proved countless times. But I think the greatest stumbling block is the extreme lack of informed people, seems every where I go, and mention biodiesel I get a dumb look or a whats that about 98%of the time. Another factor seems to be lack of willpower to do anything more than bitch about high energy cost,while we all sit and wait for the government or big corporations to fix the problem. Im thinking that if enough people got together something could get started.

    the longest journey begins with the first step
  • 01-20-2008 10:37 PM In reply to

    Re: what are we waiting for!?

    There is already big money being spent on the R&D. 

     

    I believe it's coming. 


    Sorry, I also believe we're past the point of no return. Sound sick? I'll always do my part and I'm an upbeat optimist for the most part but there are just too many peple.

  • 01-21-2008 12:36 PM In reply to

    Re: what are we waiting for!?

     Derek,

    where do you get twenty dollars per gallon to produce biodiesel from algae?  dont go by government numbers, they are based on mistaken premises ...probably on purpose

    .Alaska has been using biodiesel for years ,it leads the way in using fish oil for the production of biodiesel which is used extensively for fueling fishing boats all over alaska...

    Marc

    Marc Orion Cardoso
    www.ecogenicsresearchcenter.org
  • 01-22-2008 11:10 PM In reply to

    • Slippery
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    Re: what are we waiting for!?

    There is a huge interest and an international race on the go right now, for a company to produce economic, reliable and commercial quantities of biodiesel from algae.

    Some have claimed to have done it already - proof is lacking. There is no doubt that it can be done, but at the moment only in the lab, or in some Nigerian's back office.

    Some, like me, have a dream of achieving commercial production and have started small independent research programs. Despite all the nay sayers and doom and gloom spruikers and the "$20 a gallon" price tags, we are prepared to take that step at our own cost and see for ourselves.

    More people need to be brave enough to step out of the box and run their own experiments but share their results so others can see where we are going and offer thoughts on improvements and alternatives. 

    I have been hamstrung by the essential needs of a job and essential weekend farmer chores around my block of land. My PBR is practically ready and I will now order my algae thus forcing me to put the final touches on the basic system.

     Within a few months I will have a better understanding of what this will mean in the long term and I will be showing my results - good or bad - after all Froggy and a couple of others have an open bet that I will fail miserably.

    I just gotta disappoint them and earn Nate a couple hundred donation.

    Slippery
    Small steps taken one at a time.
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